I just knew you would defend the club over this. Yes it's publicity, but Steve, its embarrassing. Announcing to the world that you're going to scout a celebrities vs. Youtubers match to sign some new players is beyond belief. Its inviting ridicule and deservedly so. Its a stupid stunt aimed at building CTFCs following online. Specifically this web3 stuff or whatever its called. Thousands of faceless computer geeks who've never been to a football match in their lives but will happily dress their Fortnite character in a CTFC shirt whilst not having a clue if we won or lost our last game. Gaining a shedload of new Instagram followers.....big woop. I honestly don't think any of those Youtubers are going to join us and save our season. This stunt is not going to make all the town's Chelsea/Arsenal/Hammers/Palace/Brighton fans suddenly think 'shit! I need to go support Crawley!'
Ok so you personally don’t think this marketing campaign will work, fair enough. Is that reason enough for the club not to try to do something different? Are you an expert on YouTube youth culture?
I’ll certainly defend the club if they are doing something positive. I’ll defend anyone doing something positive, like the guys volunteering on the fans council. Too much negativity for the sake of it around, alas.
It seems to be a marketing campaign to gain CTFC thousands of new online followers. It might work. I'm unsure what the benefits of that will be, if you think you know please do tell. I'm sure when we go 4-0 down to Doncaster tomorrow the travelling fans will think 'never mind, our Insta following has doubled and Chunkz gave us a shout out on Tik Tok.'
New, innovative marketing is all well and good, but not when it makes the club look like a joke. Signing youtubers to add to our FA Cup squad? Jesus wept.
Ok so you personally don’t think this marketing campaign will work, fair enough. Is that reason enough for the club not to try to do something different? Are you an expert on YouTube youth culture?
I’ll certainly defend the club if they are doing something positive. I’ll defend anyone doing something positive, like the guys volunteering on the fans council. Too much negativity for the sake of it around, alas.
It seems to be a marketing campaign to gain CTFC thousands of new online followers. It might work. I'm unsure what the benefits of that will be, if you think you know please do tell. I'm sure when we go 4-0 down to Doncaster tomorrow the travelling fans will think 'never mind, our Insta following has doubled and Chunkz gave us a shout out on Tik Tok.'
New, innovative marketing is all well and good, but not when it makes the club look like a joke. Signing youtubers to add to our FA Cup squad? Jesus wept.
But why is it so offensive? I just don't get the outrage? Explain it to me so a simple fellow like me will understand. It will do no harm to the team - Betsy has made that crystal clear - and may do some good in attracting younger fans, but it may not - who knows? What it has got to do with how we perform at Doncaster tomorrow, again - I'm utterly baffled by that connection you've made
Co-incidentally, I've finally got round to watching Ted Lasso over the past couple of weeks and am on the last episode of the first series. It's a nice, cutesy comedy, not sure why it wins loads of awards but it's a pleasant watch. As you may know, the show is about an American who brings uncoventional ideas to a traditional English football club - and in response you just get these 3 fans in a pub calling him a "wanker" all the time. Spoiler alert - as time goes on, you begin to see Americans and tradtional Brit fans find some common ground. Will life imitate art, stay tuned I guess
Co-incidentally, I've finally got round to watching Ted Lasso over the past couple of weeks and am on the last episode of the first series. It's a nice, cutesy comedy, not sure why it wins loads of awards but it's a pleasant watch. As you may know, the show is about an American who brings uncoventional ideas to a traditional English football club - and in response you just get these 3 fans in a pub calling him a "wanker" all the time. Spoiler alert - as time goes on, you begin to see Americans and tradtional Brit fans find some common ground. Will life imitate art, stay tuned I guess
Now I get it. None of this is really happening. The Turkish steel magnates still own the club and everything that's happened in the past few months is just a film.
It seems to be a marketing campaign to gain CTFC thousands of new online followers. It might work. I'm unsure what the benefits of that will be, if you think you know please do tell. I'm sure when we go 4-0 down to Doncaster tomorrow the travelling fans will think 'never mind, our Insta following has doubled and Chunkz gave us a shout out on Tik Tok.'
New, innovative marketing is all well and good, but not when it makes the club look like a joke. Signing youtubers to add to our FA Cup squad? Jesus wept.
But why is it so offensive? I just don't get the outrage? Explain it to me so a simple fellow like me will understand. It will do no harm to the team - Betsy has made that crystal clear - and may do some good in attracting younger fans, but it may not - who knows? What it has got to do with how we perform at Doncaster tomorrow, again - I'm utterly baffled by that connection you've made
It's got nothing to do with the Doncaster game. That's the point. It's got nothing to do with anything relevant to the football club, the team, Betsy, results, performances. It's just a load of nonsense that the owners think is important. Lots of new fans who will never come to games - as I said earlier: big woop. The owners need to be focussing on the team and our less that stellar performances, not all this irrelevant sideshow. A sideshow which is cringeworthy and many - not you clearly - find embarrassing.
As far as fan engagement goes, the Americans are doing really well. Not difficult to improve on the total non-communication of the last owners. Infrastructure-wise, things are improving slowly but surely. Much credit to the owners for that, it was desperately needed and is gratefully accepted. As for our L2 performances, they need improving urgently. Betsy needs to focus all his attention on achieving that, yet he has to deal with the latest lot of nonsense dumped upon the club.
I know for our owners this is one big experiment. But CTFC should not be their plaything.
Publicity in and of iteself is not always a universally good thing. Okay if we get thousands of millons of people online engaged in the club that doesn't help the club sell match tickets, but maybe some merchandise and some NFT's, but also it can't be good for squad morale having some random online celebrities training with the team and it doesn't say we are a serious club to potenital new players who'd want to join us when we already have such an overinflated squad.
I was tempted to post something when I first saw this, but decided to think about it a bit first.
Have to say, I’m still in 2 minds about it:
I don’t care where we get potential/decent players from, if it enhances the squad and we get someone who helps us progress up the table, or makes us money later in transfer income, then that’s fantastic. Equally, if it attracts new fans, whether to the ground or online, it can only help finances, which in turn helps the club.
What does worry me though is how it affects or distracts the existing squad and management at a time when it seems they really need to work hard to improve results and don’t need distractions. It seems to me that if we actually do find someone that is decent enough to be part of the squad, its extremely unlikely they will be anywhere fit enough to get near the starting squad for a while, including taking up a seat on the bench for the FA cup.
I’m all for the owners trying unconventional things, I’m sure some will be complete failures, but we may get lucky and discover something that works that nobody else has tried.
Time will tell which it is in this instance.
Last Edit: Sept 23, 2022 15:54:00 GMT by E Sussex R
Another thought on this: how might a fringe player feel about his place being taken on the bench by, essentially, a non player? Could be bad for morale.
It's a bit like the voting to buy a player. Great bit of slap and tickle, gives fans of other clubs a good laugh, and provides a bit of a distraction from poor results.
Back in the real world no self-respecting manager will use players because they were spotted at some charity game or they punted a few NFTs. Just like the pick a player ended up with us signing someone who never plays.
Just saw Betsys Doncaster interview and he deals with it very matter of factly. We are trendsetters and like it or not that's the way it is. As much as we don't want to hear it, we aren't the prime fan base anymore. Thats not to say we are unimportant, but if the new owners are to get their model to succeed, 2000ish local fans won't cut it. We just need to do what we do and take the benefits that there are and try to ignore anything we don't understand without panicking.
I understand completely what is happening, and why. Most of us do. Not understanding the NFT/web3 side is irrelevant. It's the stupid anything for publicity stunts such as this and the 'Why we hate Carlisle' devil video that embarrass the club and make us a laughing stock. Clearly the owners don't care overmuch about the actual fans, just the potential thousands of online followers. That is not how owners should run a football club. You should be worried about that approach - we all should be. But you're Mr Head in the Sand who is prepared to put up with anything, including relegation, so I guess I'm wating my time here.
Unfortunately with the new model there is much more money to be made away from the traditional match day fare and our small base of fans (yes you and me!). Increasing the online base increases revenue streams and ultimately becomes the focus. The brand is wagmi not Crawley and we are just part of what is likely to grow into a larger and bigger entity as time goes on. Relegation is no closer than in previous years where we always rely on having a few teams much worse than us - did you really enjoy anything you've seen in the pre Betsy days from a footballing perspective - dull and tedious but safe. Times are a changing and we just need to realise that much of the change is out of our hands and Wagmi aren't in it to molly coddle a few thousand die hards but to make a fortune by taking us along for the ride - which if it all works we will all enjoy and benefit from. If not, I'll have to get some more sand !!
Old blokes?! Blimey, what a shocking generalisation.
You don’t think it’s older traditional fans who are most against this John? Is old blokes an insult now, how sensitive people are, I’m an old bloke myself! Just one that admits I’m no expert on the YouTube/TikTok generation and their concerns
I’m not sensitive at all. But neither am I old, however I am against it.
Post by Creepy Crawley on Sept 24, 2022 14:52:04 GMT
This exactly what we did with Mark Wright last season, although on a bigger scale this time, as the Sidemen are absolutely massive .
I have no problem with it, in fact I think it's a good idea. Although, I do have sympathy for any real Crawley player who is dropped or misses out.
In fact if Danny Bulman eventually gets a testimonial match (any news yet ?) the testimonial should be against the Sidemen, it would be a sell out. It could be live streamed on the internet and, it will make a fortune for Danny !
But why is it so offensive? I just don't get the outrage? Explain it to me so a simple fellow like me will understand. It will do no harm to the team - Betsy has made that crystal clear - and may do some good in attracting younger fans, but it may not - who knows? What it has got to do with how we perform at Doncaster tomorrow, again - I'm utterly baffled by that connection you've made
It's got nothing to do with the Doncaster game. That's the point. It's got nothing to do with anything relevant to the football club, the team, Betsy, results, performances. It's just a load of nonsense that the owners think is important. Lots of new fans who will never come to games - as I said earlier: big woop. The owners need to be focussing on the team and our less that stellar performances, not all this irrelevant sideshow. A sideshow which is cringeworthy and many - not you clearly - find embarrassing.
As far as fan engagement goes, the Americans are doing really well. Not difficult to improve on the total non-communication of the last owners. Infrastructure-wise, things are improving slowly but surely. Much credit to the owners for that, it was desperately needed and is gratefully accepted. As for our L2 performances, they need improving urgently. Betsy needs to focus all his attention on achieving that, yet he has to deal with the latest lot of nonsense dumped upon the club.
I know for our owners this is one big experiment. But CTFC should not be their plaything.
You’ve gone from one post saying it’s a marketing initiative that might work to saying it’s a load of nonsense by the owners. Those are two different positions surely? I understand why existing fans can take and leave this kind of thing but just don’t understand the lack of proportion in the very heated criticism. It will have zero impact on Betsy’s focus. It’s like saying players shouldn’t turn up to schools to promote the club to youngsters because it somehow distracts them from training