Interesting thanks for the share. The talk of fighting with people like family and always making up is this am olive branch to the senior players his fallen out with and shipped out on loan? Or lip service to excuse his passion.
I don't get why people are saying as fact he's fallen out with players? Players not good enough to make the first team wanting to go out on loan isn't falling out with players, it's just the natural consequence of having an over large squad and not being able to play them all.
By the way Vincelot has had an operation and his season is already over.
I don't get why people are saying as fact he's fallen out with players? Players not good enough to make the first team wanting to go out on loan isn't falling out with players, it's just the natural consequence of having an over large squad and not being able to play them all.
By the way Vincelot has had an operation and his season is already over.
The old saying form is temporary and class is permanent sums the situation up perfectly. Also there’s no smoke without fire! The players that have fallen out of favour, fallen out of favour and then sent out on loan have had long careers in the game for a reason and over course of a season that will come through. Someone like Francomb who I thought was one of our most consistent players last season would massively improve our defence coming in at RB.
I don't get why people are saying as fact he's fallen out with players? Players not good enough to make the first team wanting to go out on loan isn't falling out with players, it's just the natural consequence of having an over large squad and not being able to play them all.
By the way Vincelot has had an operation and his season is already over.
The old saying form is temporary and class is permanent sums the situation up perfectly. Also there’s no smoke without fire! The players that have fallen out of favour, fallen out of favour and then sent out on loan have had long careers in the game for a reason and over course of a season that will come through. Someone like Francomb who I thought was one of our most consistent players last season would massively improve our defence coming in at RB.
This phrase always amuses me. It's completely baseless and without reason.
Let's say for example that I suggested something horrible about you and posted it up on an internet forum. By your own logic I don't need to prove anything because apparently I wouldn't have said it if there wasn't some basis to it's validity.
Or let's take another example, I could suggest that a player has gone out no loan not because he wanted to or because the club wanted him to get match-fit, but because he's fallen out with the manager. I don't need any facts to substantiate my argument because there's no smoke without fire...!
The old saying form is temporary and class is permanent sums the situation up perfectly. Also there’s no smoke without fire! The players that have fallen out of favour, fallen out of favour and then sent out on loan have had long careers in the game for a reason and over course of a season that will come through. Someone like Francomb who I thought was one of our most consistent players last season would massively improve our defence coming in at RB.
This phrase always amuses me. It's completely baseless and without reason.
Let's say for example that I suggested something horrible about you and posted it up on an internet forum. By your own logic I don't need to prove anything because apparently I wouldn't have said it if there wasn't some basis to it's validity.
Or let's take another example, I could suggest that a player has gone out no loan not because he wanted to or because the club wanted him to get match-fit, but because he's fallen out with the manager. I don't need any facts to substantiate my argument because there's no smoke without fire...!
I’m not sure about you but I would never believe a rumour just because it’s something I’ve read. The smoke being rumours and the fire being logic. Too many puffs of smoke that defy logic for me to not believe them. Each puff of smoke is about the same issue as well. The house is burning down. There’s no 💨 without 🔥
I’m not sure about you but I would never believe a rumour just because it’s something I’ve read. The smoke being rumours and the fire being logic. Too many puffs of smoke that defy logic for me to not believe them. Each puff of smoke is about the same issue as well. The house is burning down. There’s no 💨 without 🔥
Ok, fair enough. Which players or staff have you been talking to then...? I only ask because having spoken to various people at the club directly (players, coaches and club staff, as recently as Saturday) I don't have the same viewpoint as you.
Or are you now saying that because a rumour is repeated that it gains more validity...?
Josh Payne asked to go on loan to get more game time. He would have liked to play more at Crawley but knew he wouldn't get the amount of game time he wanted so asked to go on loan. I actually think it's reasonably mature of Josh, Gabby and the club to allow this rather than insisting that he stays regardless, just to boost our squad size.
Jimmy needed to get match-fit after a long lay-off. He's now getting that fitness in an easier league by playing regularly. Whilst I don't disagree that there are time when we would want to see him at the club before January (Saturday against Swindon springs to mind) there's no point having him here if he's not getting back to full match fitness. So the move seemed logical to me.
Morais never wanted to be here. He engineered a move in January with Bolton that fell through at the last minute without telling the club until the last minute and without their initial consent. Have a look through his playing career and the number of clubs that he's been to and see his history. He was more unpopular with the other players than you realise. You just needed to sit with the non-playing squad members on match-day and listen to the comments to know that. His move to Oldham was engineered by him again. No rift with the manager, he just wanted to be up north and try to cash in while he still can.
Which brings us to Bully. Now I spoke to Bully on Saturday and I certainly didn't come to the conclusion that you have. What did he say to you then...?
Or does everything I've spelled out for you defy logic...?
I’m not sure about you but I would never believe a rumour just because it’s something I’ve read. The smoke being rumours and the fire being logic. Too many puffs of smoke that defy logic for me to not believe them. Each puff of smoke is about the same issue as well. The house is burning down. There’s no 💨 without 🔥
Ok, fair enough. Which players or staff have you been talking to then...? I only ask because having spoken to various people at the club directly (players, coaches and club staff, as recently as Saturday) I don't have the same viewpoint as you.
Or are you now saying that because a rumour is repeated that it gains more validity...?
Josh Payne asked to go on loan to get more game time. He would have liked to play more at Crawley but knew he wouldn't get the amount of game time he wanted so asked to go on loan. I actually think it's reasonably mature of Josh, Gabby and the club to allow this rather than insisting that he stays regardless, just to boost our squad size.
Jimmy needed to get match-fit after a long lay-off. He's now getting that fitness in an easier league by playing regularly. Whilst I don't disagree that there are time when we would want to see him at the club before January (Saturday against Swindon springs to mind) there's no point having him here if he's not getting back to full match fitness. So the move seemed logical to me.
Morais never wanted to be here. He engineered a move in January with Bolton that fell through at the last minute without telling the club until the last minute and without their initial consent. Have a look through his playing career and the number of clubs that he's been to and see his history. He was more unpopular with the other players than you realise. You just needed to sit with the non-playing squad members on match-day and listen to the comments to know that. His move to Oldham was engineered by him again. No rift with the manager, he just wanted to be up north and try to cash in while he still can.
Which brings us to Bully. Now I spoke to Bully on Saturday and I certainly didn't come to the conclusion that you have. What did he say to you then...?
Or does everything I've spelled out for you defy logic...?
I’m not sure about you but I would never believe a rumour just because it’s something I’ve read. The smoke being rumours and the fire being logic. Too many puffs of smoke that defy logic for me to not believe them. Each puff of smoke is about the same issue as well. The house is burning down. There’s no 💨 without 🔥
Ok, fair enough. Which players or staff have you been talking to then...? I only ask because having spoken to various people at the club directly (players, coaches and club staff, as recently as Saturday) I don't have the same viewpoint as you.
Or are you now saying that because a rumour is repeated that it gains more validity...?
Josh Payne asked to go on loan to get more game time. He would have liked to play more at Crawley but knew he wouldn't get the amount of game time he wanted so asked to go on loan. I actually think it's reasonably mature of Josh, Gabby and the club to allow this rather than insisting that he stays regardless, just to boost our squad size.
Jimmy needed to get match-fit after a long lay-off. He's now getting that fitness in an easier league by playing regularly. Whilst I don't disagree that there are time when we would want to see him at the club before January (Saturday against Swindon springs to mind) there's no point having him here if he's not getting back to full match fitness. So the move seemed logical to me.
Morais never wanted to be here. He engineered a move in January with Bolton that fell through at the last minute without telling the club until the last minute and without their initial consent. Have a look through his playing career and the number of clubs that he's been to and see his history. He was more unpopular with the other players than you realise. You just needed to sit with the non-playing squad members on match-day and listen to the comments to know that. His move to Oldham was engineered by him again. No rift with the manager, he just wanted to be up north and try to cash in while he still can.
Which brings us to Bully. Now I spoke to Bully on Saturday and I certainly didn't come to the conclusion that you have. What did he say to you then...?
Or does everything I've spelled out for you defy logic...?
So just listened to latest podcast and Jimmy has been quoted as saying he wont come back till Cioffi has gone. You still believe that Jimmy is only out on loan getting match fitness? Head in sand springs to mind!
Post by hickmottsenior on Nov 1, 2019 17:32:33 GMT
Erdem was justifying the odd move of extending Smith's contract at a recent fans' forum by saying he is a total Club man, part of the family and deserving of this unlike just about any other player etc.
Smith has indicated that he is anything but the above by saying he wont return till Cioffi goes, rendering it as bollocks.
Smith, like most/all players are out for themselves. Who else would have offered an ageing player a presumably decent contract - one who spent almost an entire season on the bench through injury.
While injured he was still around the Club while Cioffi managed- so he knew the score and the style
Smith has lost a lot of credit and credibility if this is the case - at least on a human and moral level
I, for one, hope we dispose of him (Smith) in January
Erdem was justifying the odd move of extending Smith's contract at a recent fans' forum by saying he is a total Club man, part of the family and deserving of this unlike just about any other player etc.
Smith has indicated that he is anything but the above by saying he wont return till Cioffi goes, rendering it as bollocks.
Smith, like most/all players are out for themselves. Who else would have offered an ageing player a presumably decent contract - one who spent almost an entire season on the bench through injury.
While injured he was still around the Club while Cioffi managed- so he knew the score and the style
Smith has lost a lot of credit and credibility if this is the case - at least on a human and moral level
I, for one, hope we dispose of him (Smith) in January
Another one with their head in the sand. I’ve have smith in my team just on the basis that at least he puts a shift in, which is one step ahead of the current crop.
Erdem was justifying the odd move of extending Smith's contract at a recent fans' forum by saying he is a total Club man, part of the family and deserving of this unlike just about any other player etc.
Smith has indicated that he is anything but the above by saying he wont return till Cioffi goes, rendering it as bollocks.
Smith, like most/all players are out for themselves. Who else would have offered an ageing player a presumably decent contract - one who spent almost an entire season on the bench through injury.
While injured he was still around the Club while Cioffi managed- so he knew the score and the style
Smith has lost a lot of credit and credibility if this is the case - at least on a human and moral level
I, for one, hope we dispose of him (Smith) in January
Another one with their head in the sand. I’ve have smith in my team just on the basis that at least he puts a shift in, which is one step ahead of the current crop.
Please yourself. The work rate has been exceptional generally this season, although we seem to have faltered in the last couple of games
No issue with Smith as a player in more recent seasons, but the "club man" he was proclaimed to be seems somewhat inaccurate. Loyalty rewarded with apparent disloyalty. Class
Another one with their head in the sand. I’ve have smith in my team just on the basis that at least he puts a shift in, which is one step ahead of the current crop.
Please yourself. The work rate has been exceptional generally this season, although we seem to have faltered in the last couple of games
No issue with Smith as a player in more recent seasons, but the "club man" he was proclaimed to be seems somewhat inaccurate. Loyalty rewarded with apparent disloyalty. Class
Jimmy along with other some senior players have been frozen out for whatever reason. He said he was fit to play but couldn’t even get on the bench so he’s gone to Yeovil “to get match fit” and has done well and scored goals. There isn’t much difference between the top 8 of the National league and the bottom 8 of league 2 which is where we are so don’t fall for the lower league speel. He is much better than Camara and Allarakhia but has been frozen out. Nothing to do with his loyalty.
Ok, fair enough. Which players or staff have you been talking to then...? I only ask because having spoken to various people at the club directly (players, coaches and club staff, as recently as Saturday) I don't have the same viewpoint as you.
Or are you now saying that because a rumour is repeated that it gains more validity...?
Josh Payne asked to go on loan to get more game time. He would have liked to play more at Crawley but knew he wouldn't get the amount of game time he wanted so asked to go on loan. I actually think it's reasonably mature of Josh, Gabby and the club to allow this rather than insisting that he stays regardless, just to boost our squad size.
Jimmy needed to get match-fit after a long lay-off. He's now getting that fitness in an easier league by playing regularly. Whilst I don't disagree that there are time when we would want to see him at the club before January (Saturday against Swindon springs to mind) there's no point having him here if he's not getting back to full match fitness. So the move seemed logical to me.
Morais never wanted to be here. He engineered a move in January with Bolton that fell through at the last minute without telling the club until the last minute and without their initial consent. Have a look through his playing career and the number of clubs that he's been to and see his history. He was more unpopular with the other players than you realise. You just needed to sit with the non-playing squad members on match-day and listen to the comments to know that. His move to Oldham was engineered by him again. No rift with the manager, he just wanted to be up north and try to cash in while he still can.
Which brings us to Bully. Now I spoke to Bully on Saturday and I certainly didn't come to the conclusion that you have. What did he say to you then...?
Or does everything I've spelled out for you defy logic...?
So just listened to latest podcast and Jimmy has been quoted as saying he wont come back till Cioffi has gone. You still believe that Jimmy is only out on loan getting match fitness? Head in sand springs to mind!
You might want to check the podcast's twitter feed. They now can't find any source for that quote...!