If the banner read a different colour would the reaction be the same?
It's hard to say, but I think there would have been an outcry anyway as it was more about the attempt to take the piss out of the BLM movement. The actual statement, "White Lives Matter," is not factually incorrect, but it was the context that caused the upset. "All Lives Matter" might have been a better message as it is more inclusive, but as the plan seems to have been to disrupt, probably wouldn't have been received any better. It doesn't help that the Burnley area has been the home turf of a far-right political party.
Imagine if you were in Liverpool - would you wear a shirt that would say “Remember everyone, not just the 96” on the back?
Would you?
Not sure that's a good analogy at all. By the way,great social distancing up there the other night.
perhaps it was 'best'the title was won whilst Liverpool werent playing as that mightve encouraged more to hang around the gates of Anfield and even less social distancing. Quite a bit of that non-social distancing going on across the country at our premier league grounds...I mean beaches (Bournemouth, Brighton). What im wondering is how/when do you have/do a victory parade, open top bus all that stuff? (Oh and for anyone that thinks the fans nicked the roof of the bus its intended to be that way!)
If the banner read a different colour would the reaction be the same?
It's hard to say, but I think there would have been an outcry anyway as it was more about the attempt to take the piss out of the BLM movement. The actual statement, "White Lives Matter," is not factually incorrect, but it was the context that caused the upset. "All Lives Matter" might have been a better message as it is more inclusive, but as the plan seems to have been to disrupt, probably wouldn't have been received any better. It doesn't help that the Burnley area has been the home turf of a far-right political party.
I am not even comfortable with"All Lives Matter"... stating the bleeding obvious just appears hollow to me.
In fact... I find the whole "gesture politics" movement a bit cringing... I feel that over time it ends up diluting the initial message, becoming trite, contrived, & even divisive.
Yes of course there have been staggering emotive examples. My generation will all recall vividly the image of a "black power" salute, at the Olympics by USA sprinters Tommie Smith & John Carlos and - for the record - with the endorsement of white Australian silver medallist Peter Norman, who arguably faced the greater backlash. It was very powerful, as more recently, was Colin Kaepernick's silent protest at NFL games.
I understand why people might want to demonstrate their support or indeed their opposition to the populist reaction... yet somewhere along the line it seems to get cheapened & people are ultimately responding to a pressure to conform.
My Mum (recently turned 90) was handing Halloween sweeties to the local kids who knocked on her door & remarked "it is lovely to see that you are joining in". Afterwards, I queried the comment with her & why she felt any need to say anything, to which she replied "Too many kids from varied ethnic backgrounds get excluded & marginalised".
She genuinely believes that she was applauding diversity & integration, I felt she was judging people on their appearance.
We had a lively but inconclusive discussion, not least around whether Halloween is actually a "tradition" and that naturally lead us to the fact that when I was the same age as those kids, the big event was Bonfire Night. It is hard to explain to youngsters nowadays just how massive an occasion it was.
And there is the final irony, as the whole thing itself began as a massive anti-catholic gesture (and still is to degrees, in places like Belfast, Glasgow & even Lewes). Yet no-one ever once thought that a Roman Catholic boy in Northgate should not gleefully enjoy the occasion...!
It's hard to say, but I think there would have been an outcry anyway as it was more about the attempt to take the piss out of the BLM movement. The actual statement, "White Lives Matter," is not factually incorrect, but it was the context that caused the upset. "All Lives Matter" might have been a better message as it is more inclusive, but as the plan seems to have been to disrupt, probably wouldn't have been received any better. It doesn't help that the Burnley area has been the home turf of a far-right political party.
I am not even comfortable with"All Lives Matter"... stating the bleeding obvious just appears hollow to me.
In fact... I find the whole "gesture politics" movement a bit cringing... I feel that over time it ends up diluting the initial message, becoming trite, contrived, & even divisive.
Yes of course there have been staggering emotive examples. My generation will all recall vividly the image of a "black power" salute, at the Olympics by USA sprinters Tommie Smith & John Carlos and - for the record - with the endorsement of white Australian silver medallist Peter Norman, who arguably faced the greater backlash. It was very powerful, as more recently, was Colin Kaepernick's silent protest at NFL games.
I understand why people might want to demonstrate their support or indeed their opposition to the populist reaction... yet somewhere along the line it seems to get cheapened & people are ultimately responding to a pressure to conform.
My Mum (recently turned 90) was handing Halloween sweeties to the local kids who knocked on her door & remarked "it is lovely to see that you are joining in". Afterwards, I queried the comment with her & why she felt any need to say anything, to which she replied "Too many kids from varied ethnic backgrounds get excluded & marginalised".
She genuinely believes that she was applauding diversity & integration, I felt she was judging people on their appearance.
We had a lively but inconclusive discussion, not least around whether Halloween is actually a "tradition" and that naturally lead us to the fact that when I was the same age as those kids, the big event was Bonfire Night. It is hard to explain to youngsters nowadays just how massive an occasion it was.
And there is the final irony, as the whole thing itself began as a massive anti-catholic gesture (and still is to degrees, in places like Belfast, Glasgow & even Lewes). Yet no-one ever once thought that a Roman Catholic boy in Northgate should not gleefully enjoy the occasion...!
I share some of your misgivings about showy displays, Thad, as I feel they could provoke a backlash, and I have concerns that such displays could supplant getting down to what I think may be the core issues. I would also be concerned about what might happen to a player who doesn't wish to take the knee. He would probably be labelled a racist even though he might have other reasons for his (in)action. Maybe I risk being labelled a racist for posting this, but anyone who knows me knows better than that.
I share some of your misgivings about showy displays, Thad, as I feel they could provoke a backlash, and I have concerns that such displays could supplant getting down to what I think may be the core issues. I would also be concerned about what might happen to a player who doesn't wish to take the knee. He would probably be labelled a racist even though he might have other reasons for his (in)action. Maybe I risk being labelled a racist for posting this, but anyone who knows me knows better than that.
I understand the point completely. Sport is a powerful catalyst for change in many areas, as Marcus Rashford showed with his incredible campaign. However what is the point at which sport becomes secondary?
I understand the point completely. Sport is a powerful catalyst for change in many areas, as Marcus Rashford showed with his incredible campaign. However what is the point at which sport becomes secondary?
Rashford succeeded as part of an intelligent campaign, that he elevated - not just by his celebrity - but largely by his very personal & articulate back story, targeted at the actual people in government who could swiftly deploy the required changes... ...no dramatics, no hollow gestures, no demonstrations, no placards & definitely no race card.
Just a gentle & sincere appeal, from a humble young man, who has not let fame & wealth blunt his memory of his early life & family experience.
I understand the point completely. Sport is a powerful catalyst for change in many areas, as Marcus Rashford showed with his incredible campaign. However what is the point at which sport becomes secondary?
Rashford succeeded as part of an intelligent campaign, that he elevated - not just by his celebrity - but largely by his very personal & articulate back story, targeted at the actual people in government who could swiftly deploy the required changes... ...no dramatics, no hollow gestures, no demonstrations, no placards & definitely no race card.
Just a gentle & sincere appeal, from a humble young man, who has not let fame & wealth blunt his memory of his early life & family experience.
BUT Rashford's political statement (and he isn't alone i.e. others of similar statue I argue same applies) was only possible because of who he is. Others have made plenty of intellectual argument BUT do not get listened to in the same way that others do, not because of what they say but also who they are. That then leave matters open for the Rashford's of this world to make personal political pleas such that the football authorities rightfully scorn e.g. players lifting shirts to reveal statements on shirts underneath. I am by the way happy for anyone to replace "political" with "humane" (or likewise) in the above regards.
BUT Rashford's political statement (and he isn't alone i.e. others of similar statue I argue same applies) was only possible because of who he is. Others have made plenty of intellectual argument BUT do not get listened to in the same way that others do, not because of what they say but also who they are. That then leave matters open for the Rashford's of this world to make personal political pleas such that the football authorities rightfully scorn e.g. players lifting shirts to reveal statements on shirts underneath. I am by the way happy for anyone to replace "political" with "humane" (or likewise) in the above regards.
True enough George, celebrity is the optimum shortcut to getting attention in today's world, it played a big part in the success story. Although celebrity alone is never enough.
I was really trying to illustrate the contrast between a popular dignified grassroots campaign that had celebrity... but also clear attainable focus & outcomes...
...with a populist global movement, full of celebrity, symbolism, grand gestures & public displays of righteous indignation, that wants to change EVERYTHING - including the past - but appears to lack any pragmatic method of defining, let alone actually achieving, progress...!
I dunno if you've heard of "pink t-shirt day" in Canada? It started because a kid was being mercilessly bullied for wearing a pink t-shirt... So, the other kids in his school all turned up in pink t-shirts. It became an effective grassroots campaign that spawned a national response.
Ps. It is sad, but you have to be so blooming careful in these times: I amended my original piece describing some aspects of "gesture politics" that are now prevalent, as i realised it may not be appropriate to use the term "knee-jerk"...(?)