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peespottage
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Shame on Derby County Nov 20, 2021 12:58:16 GMT

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Post by peespottage on Nov 20, 2021 12:58:16 GMT

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59358676 Shame on Derby County - remember that money owed is all money HMRC will need from elsewhere like you and me. The football authorities should do more and chuck them outta the league all together. Now that's a picture I would love to see of Wayne Kerr Rooney's face. St John Ambulance is owed £8,000. How an anyone defend that. Disgusting. Relegate these idiots now www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/59263716

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davej New Member Posts: 75	Shame on Derby County Nov 22, 2021 22:48:33 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by davej on Nov 22, 2021 22:48:33 GMT I read somewhere than Wycombe were starting a legal case that these points should have been docked last season? Very messy.

davej New Member Posts: 75	Shame on Derby County Nov 22, 2021 22:49:39 GMT via mobile jb and GBred like this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by davej on Nov 22, 2021 22:49:39 GMT To state the obvious, they were relegated in place of derby last season. That’s their case.

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Shame on Derby County Nov 22, 2021 23:09:54 GMT jb and davej like this

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Post by thad on Nov 22, 2021 23:09:54 GMT

The Football authorities introduced a "cut-off" date - after which points deductions apply in the following season - as clubs (such as Leeds Utd & famously Boston Utd) were abusing the system to start the following season without penalty.

There is a brief history... on wiki

...and before anyone gets too self-righteous about HMRC losing out on Derby's funds, CTFC are listed in the article.

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Simon Ultimate Member Posts: 2,260	Shame on Derby County Nov 23, 2021 7:50:34 GMT jb likes this Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Simon on Nov 23, 2021 7:50:34 GMT Unfortunately they aren't the first football club to stiff their creditors and they won't be the last. As ex players like Ben Judge will know very well.

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Shame on Derby County Nov 23, 2021 8:35:40 GMT

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Post by townmeadleftover on Nov 23, 2021 8:35:40 GMT

Nov 20, 2021 12:58:16 GMT peespottage said:

St John Ambulance is owed £8,000. How an anyone defend that. Disgusting.

Maybe St Johns ought to ask football clubs for cash up front, I seem to remember that they got screwed by Portsmouth a few years back and I very much doubt these are the only two clubs that have done them over

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Shame on Derby County Nov 23, 2021 12:47:24 GMT Northgate Red and ashdownred like this

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Post by jim on Nov 23, 2021 12:47:24 GMT

I'm really surprised that a change in the law has not been passed that would mean ALL creditors get the same percentage when any business goes bust/into administration.

Fair enough, you could argue that HMRC gets enough money but why are the plumbers and so on allowed to get less than the footballers?

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Shame on Derby County Nov 23, 2021 13:48:52 GMT

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Post by Simon on Nov 23, 2021 13:48:52 GMT

Nov 23, 2021 12:47:24 GMT jim said:

I'm really surprised that a change in the law has not been passed that would mean ALL creditors get the same percentage when any business goes bust/into administration.

Fair enough, you could argue that HMRC gets enough money but why are the plumbers and so on allowed to get less than the footballers?

Jim Baker

I thought the 'Football Creditors Rule' was an FA/FL thing rather than the law?

If football creditors aren't paid then the club gets a further 15 point deduction at the start of the following season.

jim
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Shame on Derby County Nov 23, 2021 22:22:02 GMT

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Post by jim on Nov 23, 2021 22:22:02 GMT

Nov 23, 2021 13:48:52 GMT Simon said:

Nov 23, 2021 12:47:24 GMT jim said:

I'm really surprised that a change in the law has not been passed that would mean ALL creditors get the same percentage when any business goes bust/into administration.

Fair enough, you could argue that HMRC gets enough money but why are the plumbers and so on allowed to get less than the footballers?

Jim Baker

I thought the 'Football Creditors Rule' was an FA/FL thing rather than the law?

If football creditors aren't paid then the club gets a further 15 point deduction at the start of the following season.

Yep, the football creditors rule is only a football thing. It means that if you pay the football creditors 100% then you are not allowed back. This means that all the footballers get 100% and everyone else gets 1%.

It's simply wrong.that one group gets more than another and it should be stopped.

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Shame on Derby County Nov 24, 2021 4:14:28 GMT via mobile

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Post by Simon on Nov 24, 2021 4:14:28 GMT

Nov 23, 2021 22:22:02 GMT jim said:

Nov 23, 2021 13:48:52 GMT Simon said:

I thought the 'Football Creditors Rule' was an FA/FL thing rather than the law?

If football creditors aren't paid then the club gets a further 15 point deduction at the start of the following season.

Yep, the football creditors rule is only a football thing. It means that if you pay the football creditors 100% then you are not allowed back. This means that all the footballers get 100% and everyone else gets 1%.

It's simply wrong.that one group gets more than another and it should be stopped.

Jim Baker

They have to pay all non football creditors at least 25% or they will be deducted 15 points next season.

davej
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Shame on Derby County Nov 24, 2021 8:45:03 GMT via mobile

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Post by davej on Nov 24, 2021 8:45:03 GMT

Nov 22, 2021 23:09:54 GMT thad said:

The Football authorities introduced a "cut-off" date - after which points deductions apply in the following season - as clubs (such as Leeds Utd & famously Boston Utd) were abusing the system to start the following season without penalty.

There is a brief history... on wiki

...and before anyone gets too self-righteous about HMRC losing out on Derby's funds, CTFC are listed in the article.

That Boston thing is new on me! Registered for the administration and points deduction during the last game 😂😂

highlander New Member Posts: 11	Shame on Derby County Nov 24, 2021 10:59:38 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by highlander on Nov 24, 2021 10:59:38 GMT Don't start me off on 'the Boston Story' or you know who!

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Shame on Derby County Nov 24, 2021 12:30:24 GMT

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Post by jim on Nov 24, 2021 12:30:24 GMT

Simon; Im not going to quote the whole thing again but you seem to be saying that it's OK that some creditors get more of a percentage than others.

It's a valid viewpoint. I mean the FA, EFL and the Premier league all agree with it but I just think it is sordid and wrong.

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Shame on Derby County Nov 24, 2021 21:16:21 GMT via mobile

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Post by Simon on Nov 24, 2021 21:16:21 GMT

Nov 24, 2021 12:30:24 GMT jim said:

Simon; Im not going to quote the whole thing again but you seem to be saying that it's OK that some creditors get more of a percentage than others.

It's a valid viewpoint. I mean the FA, EFL and the Premier league all agree with it but I just think it is sordid and wrong.

Jim Baker

I'm saying that although the percentages are different, all parties get more than they might do in a regular administration where unsecured creditors often get 10% or less.

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