Excellent point. So of Betsy’s first ten games he’s got something out of six of them, including beating 3 teams from higher leagues. We’d have all liked a better start but it’s nowhere near as bad as some make out
Also on a 4-game unbeaten run in all comps now (which will give 'Creepy Crawley' some ideas for sure haha)
Talking about relegation at the beginning of September after 7 games with 39 games to go is the kind of logic I just don’t understand I’m afraid.
Win a couple and we’ll be mid table instantly? But Betsy can’t win games you say, err except he has and some very tough ones at that
The ones he has won have been good games but you don't get points for cup games. But when he came in he talked about promotion if he carries on like this he will get us out of this division but the wrong way. i dont understand how you can be so pro Betsy after 7 league games you can see a patten developing and it does not seem to be a wining one.
Because unlike you I don’t ignore good wins over teams from higher leagues. You still haven’t explained why you are doing that. Yes you don’t get points, but these wins still show Betsy is doing good things with the team.
I have no problem Betsy being criticised for his league defeats as long as you are prepared to give him credit for the wins. If you’re not prepared to be fair like that, I’m gonna ask why
Good point. Nothing negative about getting a point away from home.
I wait to hear how it went from people who were there and, although I would have preferred the win, I'm happy with a point.
Although Steve you do need to stop bigging Betsy up so much. It is verging on trolling now.
Jim Baker
Just give me example of that Jim and we’ll talk about it and see if it holds water? Everything I’ve said about Betsy’s record so far is fact-based, I don’t go in for silly personal jibes
Post by West Stand Boy on Sept 3, 2022 19:01:01 GMT
Well, at the end of the day it’s is about getting points on the board. And I for one couldn’t give a s*** how we do it as long as we do it. Today we got a point from one of this divisions best teams. Well done - onwards and upwards.
Oh and by the way- if the crowd turns on Betsy and the team next week early on then that is mindless. It will not help the team one bit. At least wait until after the final whistle.
Well, at the end of the day it’s is about getting points on the board. And I for one couldn’t give a s*** how we do it as long as we do it. Today we got a point from one of this divisions best teams. Well done - onwards and upwards.
Oh and by the way- if the crowd turns on Betsy and the team next week early on then that is mindless. It will not help the team one bit. At least wait until after the final whistle.
It was telling how that didn't happen when we went behind in the EFL Trophy game midweek and guess what? Managed to get last minute goal
Didn't go to the game but I'm very happy with that result, especially after going behind twice.
Was Fellows good?
Considering he’s new to the team, I thought Fellows did very well. A bit nervous at first and a couple of poor touches/passes early on, but got into it as the game progressed and linked up well down the right. Pretty promising, I thought.
Caleb Unpronounceable came on fairly late, so difficult to tell, though he had a couple of decent touches and almost threaded through a great ball near the end.
I have to say, unlike me, the players’ heads didn’t drop going behind twice, though its frustrating how we gave away both goals.
Great to see Ludwig back.
All in all, happy with a point away against Salford.
The ones he has won have been good games but you don't get points for cup games. But when he came in he talked about promotion if he carries on like this he will get us out of this division but the wrong way. i dont understand how you can be so pro Betsy after 7 league games you can see a patten developing and it does not seem to be a wining one.
Because unlike you I don’t ignore good wins over teams from higher leagues. You still haven’t explained why you are doing that. Yes you don’t get points, but these wins still show Betsy is doing good things with the team.
I have no problem Betsy being criticised for his league defeats as long as you are prepared to give him credit for the wins. If you’re not prepared to be fair like that, I’m gonna ask why
How long are you prepared to wait for the first league win? 10 games? 12 games? 15 games? 20 games? The longer we go without a win the harder it will be for us to get up the league. I expected mid table minimum this season considering Betsy has a higher budget them Yems and he comfortably finished in mid table in the 2 full seasons he had as manager. I'd say Betsy is already under pressure after such a bad start.
Because unlike you I don’t ignore good wins over teams from higher leagues. You still haven’t explained why you are doing that. Yes you don’t get points, but these wins still show Betsy is doing good things with the team.
I have no problem Betsy being criticised for his league defeats as long as you are prepared to give him credit for the wins. If you’re not prepared to be fair like that, I’m gonna ask why
How long are you prepared to wait for the first league win? 10 games? 12 games? 15 games? 20 games? The longer we go without a win the harder it will be for us to get up the league. I expected mid table minimum this season considering Betsy has a higher budget them Yems and he comfortably finished in mid table in the 2 full seasons he had as manager. I'd say Betsy is already under pressure after such a bad start.
Why the panic - long time to go and now inbeaten in 4 games - the doomsters among us make me wonder why they are so down on a new guy who is trying hard to build us up? Yes the way Yems left was a disgrace but he would never have fitted in with the new ethos.
Good point. Nothing negative about getting a point away from home.
I wait to hear how it went from people who were there and, although I would have preferred the win, I'm happy with a point.
Although Steve you do need to stop bigging Betsy up so much. It is verging on trolling now.
Jim Baker
Just give me example of that Jim and we’ll talk about it and see if it holds water? Everything I’ve said about Betsy’s record so far is fact-based, I don’t go in for silly personal jibes
Steve, you're picking and choosing the stats you like. Or are you now agreeing with Crawley57away that Tony Craig should never play for us again? The stats don't lie!
The start to the season in the league has been little short of disastrous. Yes we have had some good cup wins but in competitions that teams don't press as hard in (Barton "thank good we're out", Fulham comlete change of team). By using those games as evidence of how well we are doing I feel you are devaluing a decent point today.
Just give me example of that Jim and we’ll talk about it and see if it holds water? Everything I’ve said about Betsy’s record so far is fact-based, I don’t go in for silly personal jibes
Steve, you're picking and choosing the stats you like. Or are you now agreeing with Crawley57away that Tony Craig should never play for us again? The stats don't lie!
The start to the season in the league has been little short of disastrous. Yes we have had some good cup wins but in competitions that teams don't press as hard in (Barton "thank good we're out", Fulham comlete change of team). By using those games as evidence of how well we are doing I feel you are devaluing a decent point today.
Jim Baker
I mean that’s disagreeing with my points (as I happen to disagree with your devaluation of our 3 cup performances that we played weak teams) but it’s not evidence that I’m “trolling”, ie. making up stuff I don’t believe. I can assure you whatever I put on this site is stuff that I believe wholeheartedly (whether the opinions be good or bad, dull or lively). And I resent strongly that you are saying otherwise, so please don’t say that again.
It’s a natural thing for me to stick up for a young manager and provide some balance to those who I believe are exaggerating his faults and record in a fairly harsh and extreme way at times. Same as when I stuck for Yems last season when he was getting attacked In the midst of a terrible injury crisis. What a weird looking-glass world it is when offering support like that to the manager is defined as “trolling”, not the posts trying to sack him in August!
Because unlike you I don’t ignore good wins over teams from higher leagues. You still haven’t explained why you are doing that. Yes you don’t get points, but these wins still show Betsy is doing good things with the team.
I have no problem Betsy being criticised for his league defeats as long as you are prepared to give him credit for the wins. If you’re not prepared to be fair like that, I’m gonna ask why
How long are you prepared to wait for the first league win? 10 games? 12 games? 15 games? 20 games? The longer we go without a win the harder it will be for us to get up the league. I expected mid table minimum this season considering Betsy has a higher budget them Yems and he comfortably finished in mid table in the 2 full seasons he had as manager. I'd say Betsy is already under pressure after such a bad start.
If we win our next two games we will be midtable, right? So what’s the crisis here?
What did you think of matching a good team in good form at their ground today? Isn’t that what match threads should be about, discussing our performance rather than idly speculating that we might lose our next 13 games?
Post by nick22webster on Sept 3, 2022 22:37:58 GMT
Its encouraging we came back twice from behind. Lets build on this. 3 points for a win is a real gain when you need to make up ground compared to the old days of 2 points for a win. Lets kick on. A home win against Gillingham would be well timed and lift the pressure of Betsy. I agree with other comments that rightly or wrongly the jury is still out on Betsy. Thats an observation not a criticism.
Yes, jury out on Betsy is totally fair comment, I believe that myself too. But it’s all the hanging judges putting the noose around his neck in August that offends the trusty English sense of fair play in my book
Because unlike you I don’t ignore good wins over teams from higher leagues. You still haven’t explained why you are doing that. Yes you don’t get points, but these wins still show Betsy is doing good things with the team.
I have no problem Betsy being criticised for his league defeats as long as you are prepared to give him credit for the wins. If you’re not prepared to be fair like that, I’m gonna ask why
How long are you prepared to wait for the first league win? 10 games? 12 games? 15 games? 20 games? The longer we go without a win the harder it will be for us to get up the league. I expected mid table minimum this season considering Betsy has a higher budget them Yems and he comfortably finished in mid table in the 2 full seasons he had as manager. I'd say Betsy is already under pressure after such a bad start.
The way some people in here are happy for crumbs I say we will are be starved of any success if we wait any longer. 7 games and not a single win. Sack him now. He hasnt a clue.