What's baffling to me Jim, is why there is such a vocal minority calling for Betsy's head when we are more or less where we are every year and showing some signs of real promise given time. If we keep chopping and changing, we will never get the level of stability we need to make real progress.
What is it with you and Steve? Anybody says anything remotely negative about Betsy/the team/the club, and you're both calling them a baying mob demanding Betsy he sacked. Jim hasn't said anything of the sort, just that KBs position may well be under threat if results don't improve. A statement of fact, that's all.
I accept you have a head in the sand approach to the team's performances this season. I don't accept Steve's weird conspiracy theory about pro-Yems people trying to get KB sacked. And I wonder how long it will take him to realise our very decent cup wins so far this season won't actually prevent us getting relegated. Our league form is atrocious, and it's not improving quickly enough to stop people worrying about relegation.
I believe Betsy can turn things around. But he really needs to hurry up about it. I will continue to back him and the team win lose or draw. COYR
Some good point NR. Pleased you are supportive at the moment and do understand the legitimate concerns you raise.
Nobody would disagree that league results could be better, but I don't see any benefit for anybody in calling for a manager to be sacked without them being given a chance. Everybody loses and we continue to flip flop through managers and never get anywhere. Yems provided stability and I supported him as well and was disappointed to see him go, but the football we saw during his tenure was boring and unappealing - I do see some green shoots in this squad and only time will tell if it comes to fruition. By replacing Betsy we just go back into the old cycle and ultimately will do ourselves more damage than good.
What is it with you and Steve? Anybody says anything remotely negative about Betsy/the team/the club, and you're both calling them a baying mob demanding Betsy he sacked. Jim hasn't said anything of the sort, just that KBs position may well be under threat if results don't improve. A statement of fact, that's all.
I accept you have a head in the sand approach to the team's performances this season. I don't accept Steve's weird conspiracy theory about pro-Yems people trying to get KB sacked. And I wonder how long it will take him to realise our very decent cup wins so far this season won't actually prevent us getting relegated. Our league form is atrocious, and it's not improving quickly enough to stop people worrying about relegation.
I believe Betsy can turn things around. But he really needs to hurry up about it. I will continue to back him and the team win lose or draw. COYR
Nobody would disagree that league results could be better, but I don't see any benefit for anybody in calling for a manager to be sacked without them being given a chance. Everybody loses and we continue to flip flop through managers and never get anywhere.
The thing is if you keep calling for a manager to go without giving any reasons as to why it hasn't been working and who you would replace him with then that just doesn't benefit anyone. As I said before, the results and performances have not been great most of the time this season but some of the abuse I've seen and heard Betsy get has been bordering on vile at times
In the 10 years since Steve Evans left we have had three sets of owners and 10 permanent managers.
We have had a huge churn of players, literally hundreds in that time.
The only constant is the club hasn't really gone anywhere.
By all means fire the manager, but I can't see what it achieves. Manager number 11 will inherit 2 squads (the Yems players given new deals and the signings of Betsy) and the clock will start ticking all over again.
I am sure Betsy knows the clock is ticking on him - the pressure is ON.
To his credit he came over and applauded the fans at the end of the match against Crewe but you could see by the look on his face that he wasn't enjoying it. The players didn't come very close to us.
Post by Northgate Red on Sept 20, 2022 10:14:48 GMT
We just need some wins in the league. Get some points on the board, move up the table, confidence builds, we will be fine. Of course Betsy knows this - the problem is he doesn't seem to have an idea how to achieve it. Cup wins are all well and good. But in L2 our performances are dire, our style of play is not good enough. We have good strikers but we don't seem to want to get the ball to them very quickly, or very often. Not enough goals, definitely not enough shots, on target or otherwise. Betsy needs to find a solution, and quickly. Fingers crossed he can.
In the 10 years since Steve Evans left we have had three sets of owners and 10 permanent managers.
We have had a huge churn of players, literally hundreds in that time.
The only constant is the club hasn't really gone anywhere.
By all means fire the manager, but I can't see what it achieves. Manager number 11 will inherit 2 squads (the Yems players given new deals and the signings of Betsy) and the clock will start ticking all over again.
And how long would a new manager get before everyone starts moaning and wants him out? 2 games?
I have never said that Betsy and our owners have a dysfunctional relationship.
Jim if you read my post carefully, I never said you did say that?
It was part of my broader point that these bizarre early sackings are rarely about a few game’s results, there are always other issues floating away in the background that have a role to play in these freak early sackings.
As it happens I also have a close friend who is a Colchester fan, he was involved in their fans’ media, and I’ve known for a long time that Brown hasn’t been popular among a certain section of the fan base because of his past support for the far right British National Party.
Just to reiterate my overall point, early sackings still remain unusual, outlier events. Most fans from other clubs usually react by laughing at them and being super grateful that they aren’t one of the few tinpot clubs that indulge in them
What's baffling to me Jim, is why there is such a vocal minority calling for Betsy's head when we are more or less where we are every year and showing some signs of real promise given time. If we keep chopping and changing, we will never get the level of stability we need to make real progress.
What is it with you and Steve? Anybody says anything remotely negative about Betsy/the team/the club, and you're both calling them a baying mob demanding Betsy he sacked. Jim hasn't said anything of the sort, just that KBs position may well be under threat if results don't improve. A statement of fact, that's all.
I accept you have a head in the sand approach to the team's performances this season. I don't accept Steve's weird conspiracy theory about pro-Yems people trying to get KB sacked. And I wonder how long it will take him to realise our very decent cup wins so far this season won't actually prevent us getting relegated. Our league form is atrocious, and it's not improving quickly enough to stop people worrying about relegation.
I believe Betsy can turn things around. But he really needs to hurry up about it. I will continue to back him and the team win lose or draw. COYR
Lol weird conspiracy theory, some fans have actually told me this is their reason, they are just unhappy with everything that Wagmi do because of the Yems situation and don’t believe they are competent enough to appoint good managers. It’s a real viewpoint, not a very constructive one but it does exist.
But I’ve always tried to be nuanced about this, of course there are a huge number of different factors at play as to why Betsy has been given a slightly rougher ride than he deserves by some fans, in my view.
The Yems stuff motivates some. Others don’t care about that and are simply part of the very modern impatient fan culture of wanting everything to click overnight or else. There is another more long standing type of fan who just love going to football to have a moan, it’s a kind of enjoyable release from the stresses of the working week, these types would have been wanting to sack Yems every week and now it’s Betsy. Every football manager loses games, never any shortage of opportunity for a moan!
At the end of the day I think the broader silent majority of fans are more pragmatic than that, yes they’ll criticise when we lose games they think we could have done better in, but they do realise managers always need a respectable period of time to build something good
The view that WAGMI don't understand the English game well enough at L2 level is a fair one that exploded into life when some lunatic gobbed off on Youtube about Carlisle United. I don't assume that he was representing WAGMI's views and style, but it did give some idea about the gulf between the cultures. However, the WAGMI management seem to be learning and that's probably as good as we can hope for - the concern being whether the learning is fast enough to maintain our EFL status. Like some, I am concerned that John Yems was dispatched with indecent haste, the allegations about racist comments used as a smokescreen for his "mutually agreed departure". If there were issues, I'm guessing that they may have been more generational, where one person's banter is another's racism, but it's probably not a good idea to speculate on this.
However, none of this is Betsy's fault; he can only be responsible for events since he arrived - mainly results. Overall, results have been fair, the concern being that cup games do not have a bearing on EFL status. Personally, I would settle for a 50-55 point season, preferably with no relegation scrap in the final few weeks. I don't think that's too much to ask, even in a season of major transition.