Relatively recently (i'm not certain when) the law changed for dead ball kicks. Previously, since the beginning of time, the ball had to be kicked and travel its own circumference before counting as being in play. A while ago, the powers that be changed this so that it only had to be touched by boot (and possibly moved even slightly?) before becoming live.
There have been instances of attacking teams taking advantage of this at corners where a player will place the ball, tap it with his boot, then walk away. A few seconds later, another player jogs up and starts dribbling towards the goal, catching the defenders unaware. I actually saw a Youtube video of this happening at a low-level game where the guy scored while the defenders were waiting around expecting a free kick for a double touch.
Now, the dilemma is this. Bear in mind that cards are now issued easily for delaying kicks. A sharp-eyed defender spots this happening and runs over to intercept by taking possession of the ball before the second player reaches it. However, he is effectively prevented from doing this in case he has misread the situation. Imagine a defender who has already been yellow carded for something else being sent off because he can't know whether the kick has been taken.
I believe this law needs to be revisited. It needn't be changed back to how it was, but some protection must be given to defenders to prevent attackersabusing the law.
I've found the link below, but I think it also happened in an L2 game earlier this season:
Doubt it will change. Teams defending often double up on corners perhaps because of this. What im surprised by is its not happening more at FK not just 1 in 100 corners. Only way it'll change is if refs dont like it.
Yes, I saw that a short while ago too - very inventive, but as you say, may lead to problems for the defender.
Only thing I can think of at the moment would be that whoever places the ball at the corner has to be the player who takes the corner, so if he taps the ball and wanders off, it is clear he’s taken it. Also would help stop the time-wasting by the attacking team where they deliberately slow the game down by swapping the player taking the corner. Could also do the same thing for throw-ins and free kicks.
Yes, I saw that a short while ago too - very inventive, but as you say, may lead to problems for the defender.
Only thing I can think of at the moment would be that whoever places the ball at the corner has to be the player who takes the corner, so if he taps the ball and wanders off, it is clear he’s taken it. Also would help stop the time-wasting by the attacking team where they deliberately slow the game down by swapping the player taking the corner. Could also do the same thing for throw-ins and free kicks.
Agree, although technically, if a player puts his foot on the ball then runs away for someone else to come and dribble it, hasn’t that player “taken” the corner?
Agree, although technically, if a player puts his foot on the ball then runs away for someone else to come and dribble it, hasn’t that player “taken” the corner?
Good point but at least the defenders would know that he must have taken it before departing.
Agree, although technically, if a player puts his foot on the ball then runs away for someone else to come and dribble it, hasn’t that player “taken” the corner?
Good point but at least the defenders would know that he must have taken it before departing.
Exactly and therefore the defender can collect the ball. The linesman will be there and will have seen whether the attacker has actually taken the corner - if so, then all is good for the defender, if the attacker hasn’t touched it but has just wandered off (wasting time), free kick to the defending team.
Agree, although technically, if a player puts his foot on the ball then runs away for someone else to come and dribble it, hasn’t that player “taken” the corner?
…in which case, the defender is within their rights to take the ball up-field - the linesman will have seen the attacker touch the ball (as he clearly did on the video), so no problem for the defender.
Last Edit: Dec 30, 2023 18:40:20 GMT by E Sussex R
I remember Man U doing this kind of thing in a European game years ago. Beckham and Scholes. Beckham rolled the ball out of the corner quadrant and then walked away from it. Scholes ambled over and stood near the ball and did nothing. None of the opposition moved and the ref booked Scholes for time wasting. But the ball had moved a circumference and I thought it was really clever at the time and it shouldn't have been a booking.
Then the following season they did a similar thing with a free kick in their own half. The defender rolled the ball a couple of feet and then walked off, the opposing striker ran in and took a shot, but the ref booked the striker. Again I thought the ref had got it wrong, they tried a clever free kick and the opposition sussed it.
Shows though how difficult it is to get right, especially if there is only a touch needed, and with how often the taker of a FK/Corner is changed.
www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-13---free-kicks "is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves" once again we have interpretation of what "clearly move" means. I think here we are looking at more than a mm and of course opponents tend to play closer attention to this and the whole set up is different to a corner kick so less likely you get the 'trickery' or that I argue a team taking the free-kick would attempt such a 'trick'
www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct It refers to "initiates a deliberate trick for the ball to be passed (including from a free kick or goal kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands; the goalkeeper is penalised if responsible for initiating the deliberate trick" - it might be if say the corner 'trick' becomes more popular that eventually the law for corner kicks will be changed such that you cannot initiate a deliberate trick.
www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-13---free-kicks "is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves" once again we have interpretation of what "clearly move" means. I think here we are looking at more than a mm and of course opponents tend to play closer attention to this and the whole set up is different to a corner kick so less likely you get the 'trickery' or that I argue a team taking the free-kick would attempt such a 'trick'
www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct It refers to "initiates a deliberate trick for the ball to be passed (including from a free kick or goal kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands; the goalkeeper is penalised if responsible for initiating the deliberate trick" - it might be if say the corner 'trick' becomes more popular that eventually the law for corner kicks will be changed such that you cannot initiate a deliberate trick.
Thanks - not sure I understand the last one, even after reading it in context on the FA website. Anyone got any examples?
Last Edit: Dec 31, 2023 14:29:35 GMT by E Sussex R
www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-13---free-kicks "is in play when it is kicked and clearly moves" once again we have interpretation of what "clearly move" means. I think here we are looking at more than a mm and of course opponents tend to play closer attention to this and the whole set up is different to a corner kick so less likely you get the 'trickery' or that I argue a team taking the free-kick would attempt such a 'trick'
www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/lawsandrules/laws/football-11-11/law-12---fouls-and-misconduct It refers to "initiates a deliberate trick for the ball to be passed (including from a free kick or goal kick) to the goalkeeper with the head, chest, knee etc. to circumvent the Law, whether or not the goalkeeper touches the ball with the hands; the goalkeeper is penalised if responsible for initiating the deliberate trick" - it might be if say the corner 'trick' becomes more popular that eventually the law for corner kicks will be changed such that you cannot initiate a deliberate trick.
Thanks - not sure I understand the last one, even after reading it in context on the FA website. Anyone got any examples?
e.g. gk has a goalkick but would rather have a drop kick so passes ball to defender who with ball on the ground kneels down and 'heads' it back to the keeper to pick up.
Thanks - not sure I understand the last one, even after reading it in context on the FA website. Anyone got any examples?
e.g. gk has a goalkick but would rather have a drop kick so passes ball to defender who with ball on the ground kneels down and 'heads' it back to the keeper to pick up.
A few weeks ago, sorry cannot remember the game the opposing goalkeeper put the ball down for a goal kick. He then proceeded to kick it quite hard to the defender alongside him who then stopped the ball with his hand and then took the goal kick. Nothing was said on this site about the incident, but I was of the opinion it was a penalty to CTFC.