GBred; I agree about getting caught at the back. Somehow when the opposition push up you have to find a way to beat the press.
We ain't good at it. Man City and Liverpool tend to be but even they get caught. Maybe it's the passing ability of the keepers but when pressed they seem to be able to bypass the first wave and rea h their midfield.
I'd love to sit down with a tactics board and discuss the different strategies with a proper coach (not another bod like me in the pub) and learn what the actual aims and reasons for the play out from the back are.
Playing out from the back in lower leagues can be fraught with trouble, and it's a sign of having a manager who has played at a high level but hasn't realised that lower league players can't match the type of game from his playing days.
Its the English DNA but its not like its got the National side success. Personally I still think at times its horses for courses and the long ball still has its place.
Playing out from the back in lower leagues can be fraught with trouble, and it's a sign of having a manager who has played at a high level but hasn't realised that lower league players can't match the type of game from his playing days.
Indeed. A manager who doesn't realise it's hard to play Barcelona quality football with Crawley level players.
I'd love to sit down with a tactics board and discuss the different strategies with a proper coach (not another bod like me in the pub) and learn what the actual aims and reasons for the play out from the back are.
The twisted irony Jim, is that in reality we very rarely ever "played out" from the back...
...yes we "played it around" at the back, but the usual outcome was that after a sequence of passes that went nowhere, we would end up with our Keeper thumping it upfield, which he could usually have done a few minutes earlier...
...which is still preferable to losing the ball or giving it away in & around our own area...!
I'd love to sit down with a tactics board and discuss the different strategies with a proper coach (not another bod like me in the pub) and learn what the actual aims and reasons for the play out from the back are.
The twisted irony Jim, is that in reality we very rarely ever "played out" from the back...
...yes we "played it around" at the back, but the usual outcome was that after a sequence of passes that went nowhere, we would end up with our Keeper thumping it upfield, which he could usually have done a few minutes earlier...
...which is still preferable to losing the ball or giving it away in & around our own area...!
You’re assessment is spot on Thad! It was often a pointless endeavour. Maybe the players just weren’t that confident trying to bring the ball out and play through the pitch so resorted to safe passes before eventually giving up and playing it long when the midfield didn’t bother to show for the ball. Payne was really the only player that was ever showing for the ball in them days, sadly his range of passing once he got it was very hit and miss, not helped by the attacking players not showing for the ball either.
Yem’s ball seems to play to the players strengths a bit more by getting the ball forward earlier. Less fancy, but more effective. We just need a few decent attackers and I reckon we’ll do well next season under this style of play.
The twisted irony Jim, is that in reality we very rarely ever "played out" from the back...
...yes we "played it around" at the back, but the usual outcome was that after a sequence of passes that went nowhere, we would end up with our Keeper thumping it upfield, which he could usually have done a few minutes earlier...
...which is still preferable to losing the ball or giving it away in & around our own area...!
You’re assessment is spot on Thad! It was often a pointless endeavour. Maybe the players just weren’t that confident trying to bring the ball out and play through the pitch so resorted to safe passes before eventually giving up and playing it long when the midfield didn’t bother to show for the ball. Payne was really the only player that was ever showing for the ball in them days, sadly his range of passing once he got it was very hit and miss, not helped by the attacking players not showing for the ball either.
Yem’s ball seems to play to the players strengths a bit more by getting the ball forward earlier. Less fancy, but more effective. We just need a few decent attackers and I reckon we’ll do well next season under this style of play.
There was a reason as to why Kewell’s “Jewels” couldn’t play the way he wanted - League 2 players trying to play Champions League football didn’t work.
Post by pushtheboundary on Aug 19, 2020 2:36:33 GMT
Hi all, I’m an Oldham fan here and I come in peace 😂 I’m a member of an independent supporters group for Oldham called Push The a Boundary and I’m currently doing some research on season tickets in league 2. This is mainly because we are being told by the club that season ticket sales are low because of Covid-19. They are rumoured to be circa 300 despite selling 2,700 last season. We believe people are not renewing because of the current regime in place as our attendances dropped by 800 home fans last season.
Your club website states that you’ve sold 50% of last seasons number which seems really good under the circumstances, but do you know what number that represents? It looks like your average home crowd was circa 1,900 last season so I’d be guessing 1,500-1,750 season ticket holders? Do you know how many you’ve sold?
Also, Harry Kewell...I’m reading mainly negative stuff about him but also that he potentially can get results but with a poor style of play? It’s a concern he was out of work for so long really with no one willing to take a chance on him, so it feels like it might just work for all parties at this stage. Time will tell but with us having 9 managers on under 3 years I won’t hold my breath.
Thanks for your time anyway and obviously good luck for the new season. I hope you’re all able to watch football back in stadiums as quickly and safely as possible!
I don't know about the season ticket numbers, but as far as Harry Kewell goes I have mixed feelings. I never met the guy face to face but my impressions of him were that because he was a fairly accomplished player, he felt he would be a decent manager too. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure there are plenty worse out there, but he gave off the vibe that he wasn't teachable. However, a new manager needs to project an air of confidence even if they don't feel that inside, so maybe I was misreading that. He wanted to play it around the back a lot and try to play it out from the back. That may have worked okay at the level he played, but most league two clubs aren't so great at that and pressure from the opposition will produce more defensive errors than at a higher level. A good manager sees that and adapts. I felt that Kewell had too high an expectation of league two players due to the level he played at. It's possible that he's learned from that, but he didn't come across as particularly humble so perhaps not. Like everyone else, he can become better at something the more he practices, so hopefully he is learning as he goes. I think he could be okay if he has sufficient humility to have a secret mentor and listens to him.
Hi all, I’m an Oldham fan here and I come in peace 😂 I’m a member of an independent supporters group for Oldham called Push The a Boundary and I’m currently doing some research on season tickets in league 2. This is mainly because we are being told by the club that season ticket sales are low because of Covid-19. They are rumoured to be circa 300 despite selling 2,700 last season. We believe people are not renewing because of the current regime in place as our attendances dropped by 800 home fans last season.
Your club website states that you’ve sold 50% of last seasons number which seems really good under the circumstances, but do you know what number that represents? It looks like your average home crowd was circa 1,900 last season so I’d be guessing 1,500-1,750 season ticket holders? Do you know how many you’ve sold?
Also, Harry Kewell...I’m reading mainly negative stuff about him but also that he potentially can get results but with a poor style of play? It’s a concern he was out of work for so long really with no one willing to take a chance on him, so it feels like it might just work for all parties at this stage. Time will tell but with us having 9 managers on under 3 years I won’t hold my breath.
Thanks for your time anyway and obviously good luck for the new season. I hope you’re all able to watch football back in stadiums as quickly and safely as possible!
As has been said if Kewell has eliminated his ego then you’ll be fine. I believe the rough figure is about 500 season tickets with an average home crowd of 1500 We’ve had a lot of fans not ask for refunds which has helped the club massively and from what I’ve heard we’ve got a fair amount of new season ticket purchases from fans of prem clubs (palace notably) too which is good to see. The clubs owner and his team have also been very good in engaging with the fan base which has no doubt helped with these purchases.
Oldham fan; fyi Erdem Konyar (see tweet above) runs the club for the owner and is perceived to be an OK typ of guy. No one is perfect but you know.
I have also seen a message stating that we have sold 50 brand new season tickets this season.
As for Harry, I was bored stiff by his brand of football. Full back to full back via the keeper is dull. The stats for possesion look great but if he still insists on it bring a deck of cards to the game. You may as well play patience while having it.
HK is a cnut (apologies my spelling isnt great); end of.
As for season ticket sales I think CTFC have pitched the sales as low as they can and we are building up a family community club, not always getting it right but far more often getting it right or thereabouts and its those building of positive relationships that will see some clubs through and others sink.
* He has a huge ego and is very set in his ways - anyone not following his line is out. First to the bench, then the reserves (if you have any), then out the club
* He will set you up to play out from the back whether you are capable of doing it or not. Personally, I liked the attempt to play out with short crisp passing, rather than long, aimless balls
* He will favour wingbacks and an attacking mentality
* He will instil high fitness levels - we scored loads of last minute/added time goals
* He likes pace and speed
* He will not tolerate dissent in the dressing room
* He can fall out with players, no matter how senior
* The supporters will be divided with his style of play - some will want the old up and under brought back
* Sometimes the ball needs to be punted from the back - if the players are not able to play his system they will struggle
Personally, under Kewell, I thought we played some of the best football I have seen Crawley play. This doesn't always lead to wins though and although we played very attractive football, our record under him wasn't brilliant, which led a lot of supporters to question his position.
Although opinions differ, I liked having Kewell as manager - there were a lot of positives. Be prepared to be "Harry Kewell's" Oldham, which will attract a lot of publicity.