If it had been as cut and dried as some are saying, the CPS would probably have taken it to a criminal court. However, the FA require a lower burden of proof. I seem to not be one of the polarised on here. The FA had little choice but to send out a message that such "banter" is no longer acceptable, and JY has a knack of painting luminous bullseyes on his own forehead. The choice the FA had was whether to throw pointed darts or ones with a suction pads (I will refrain from blowpipes and spears).
I feel that doing nothing wasn't an option and that one of JY's issues was an appalling lack of empathy. He seems to have quite a thick skin but can't go around assuming that others' skins are as leathery. Age has been mentioned too, but not in the context of some players' ages. I don't know how it's been for others but I was quite thin skinned in my teens and twenties, and growing a rhinoceros hide has taken me decades. Paradoxically, a lot of that happened by seeking therapeutic assistance and getting to understand more of my inner stuff. As a consequence, I often treat younger people with more sensitivity (except when they REALLY piss me off) , Maybe JY needs some space to reflect.
There is a lot of people coming forward to support Yems and offer mitigation for what he did.
Is a single person on this forum willing to offer any support for the five CRAWLEY players after what they went through? And what they were forced to re-live through the drawn-out process of the FA hearings?
Do their lives matter? Do their feelings of being humiliated with racial comments by their boss matter to anyone?
It's really about time we drew a line under this and all accept the players shouldn't have gone through what they were forced to go through. And that they had a perfect right to stand up for themselves by going to their players' union.
The FA is now "actively considering its legal options" because there is so much anger at the decision of the panel, and the language used in its judgement.
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Thad, some of those charges Yems has been found guilty off are ridiculous (deliberately mispronounced Annie's name,a teatotal berating a Muslim for not drinking) but when a boss starts banter, any banter, he has to know that his employees may not feel able to respond in kind. It becomes a bullying problem. That's why Yems deserved to be sacked and that's why the only other club employee (in a senior position) who claimed to know about it deserves to be sacked too.
I also think the person who decided to make Yems get a train home on his own deserves the sack.
There is a lot of people coming forward to support Yems and offer mitigation for what he did.
Is a single person on this forum willing to offer any support for the five CRAWLEY players after what they went through? And what they were forced to re-live through the drawn-out process of the FA hearings?
Do their lives matter? Do their feelings of being humiliated with racial comments by their boss matter to anyone?
It's really about time we drew a line under this and all accept the players shouldn't have gone through what they were forced to go through. And that they had a perfect right to stand up for themselves by going to their players' union.
Of course JY should have displayed more empathy - I thought that much was pretty clear. It's a very different world from the one that was around when JY was 20. I'm not much older then him and I adapted, but I guess I had a far shorter distance to shift, if at all.
There is a lot of people coming forward to support Yems and offer mitigation for what he did.
Is a single person on this forum willing to offer any support for the five CRAWLEY players after what they went through? And what they were forced to re-live through the drawn-out process of the FA hearings?
Do their lives matter? Do their feelings of being humiliated with racial comments by their boss matter to anyone?
It's really about time we drew a line under this and all accept the players shouldn't have gone through what they were forced to go through. And that they had a perfect right to stand up for themselves by going to their players' union.
...and maybe this is a reason that the pfa representative is no longer at the club....and maybe why three senior players appear to have been frozen out and another summarily sold?
From my reading of that judgement the whole playing staff were involved in the 'banter' (Lynch asking Yems to take the mick out of black women to Marshall). Others laughing at the jokes and the Chaplin now praying for forgiveness because he didn't try to stop it.
I've spoke to Yems a few times (not since this come to light) All it would have taken is one senior person/player at the club to speak up an it would have stopped. Everyone involved needs to have a long hard look at themselves...and maybe those clamouring for the three left off the bus to be re-instated need to consider what they're asking after Eben's tweet on the subject.
The players were bullied and didn't feel able to fight back. I've said before some of the charges are ridiculous but taken as a whole it should have been stopped and the players themselves should not have had to put up with it.
After reading the report it seems that Mr Yems made some poor taste jokes that upset those who were the target. Any person with management responsibility (football aside) would get sacked for that. It's easy enough to imagine it caused that type of atmosphere that alienates and isolates people.
I agree with Jim, it's all the player's responsibility to call out behaviour that would reasonably be expected to upset other people. If Mr Yems wasn't receptive to a quiet word in his ear then they could have gone to HR and let them sort it out. It's hard and it makes you feel like a prick, but most important things in life are (and plenty do)
Such behaviour does call into question his professional judgement
...and maybe this is a reason that the pfa representative is no longer at the club....and maybe why three senior players appear to have been frozen out and another summarily sold?
Indeed, it perhaps is not a coincidence that particular players who were around at the time are either gone or not playing. Hopefully things will be clarified at some stage.
Sport is unlike most other professions in that it must be a lot more difficult for employees (players) to report activities of their managers to company (club) bosses, given just how much of an impact that manager may have, not just on that employee’s immediate future, but their entire career at other clubs.
Sport is unlike most other professions in that it must be a lot more difficult for employees (players) to report activities of their managers to company (club) bosses, given just how much of an impact that manager may have, not just on that employee’s immediate future, but their entire career at other clubs.
That's true. It's also a small community, less protection against reprisals. Probably a lot harder than in HR tech ...
The FA are coming for JY. They are rightly outraged at the light sentancing and I can see JY never working/volunteering etc. in any capacity whatsoever in football ever again.
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The FA are coming for JY. They are rightly outraged at the light sentancing and I can see JY never working/volunteering etc. in any capacity whatsoever in football ever again.
I think that is highly likely, whatever the length of the ban.
Anyway he was effectively serving a ban from last April so that would be more than 2 years.