Anyway, interesting to see a couple of fans being pilloried for being deemed to be negative, yet once the season is underway, then slating the players, the manager and the club on social media will be considered perfectly acceptable....
I would hope what HKP is proposing will bee similar yet far more progressive than what is currently in place but i think that is something that must be confirmed
Don’t think it’ll have trust status though. Plus, surely if it’s completely “united” with the club, then it won’t really be able to step in should things ever go wrong, would it....?
As you hint though, you don’t really know.
And the CTSA could step in and save the club from going to the Wall could it? of course it can't if it had another couple of zeros at the end of that 20k in the piggy bank it might have some sway but as it stands they couldn't do jack so while its great to be completely separate from the club it really means very little trust status or not. I am surprised someone like yourself can't see that.
I’d suggest that you are very naive if that’s what you think. It’s not just about having money in the bank it’s about having trust status, it’s about being a recognised body, and about being there to ask the questions on behalf of the fan base.
Insults, really...? "Lightweight" is a serial flouncer, "Glory-Boy" is someone in it for the good times, but beggars off as soon as the going gets tough.
Look at the facts Grumpy, surely an accurate assessment...! Man up chaps, I've been called a lot worse.
So is that POSITIVE approval for the initial concept...? Please confirm & I will happily flesh it out to the next level & provide it to the CTSA Chair. It will take a few days, but I have never been shy about sharing my ideas.
Sorry why would it go to the CTSA chair is this the same Chairperson who has also thrown his hand in after just 18 months the same Chairperson that only took the job as the other 5 on the board didn't want it? So not much point showing anything to him on the concept is it.
See right there that shows the CTSA has had its day no volunteers, Treasurer and Chair stepping down just 5 left on the board including the outgoing Chair and no one new wanting to get involved I would hedge my bets that the only reason the fans rep is staying on despite his poor health is so the CTSA keeps going as if it goes down to 4 people its done as confirmed by Simon on an earlier post.
So i presume you will instead present it to ALL parties not just the CTSA and once you agree to that i am sure we will be all ears.
Bloody hell, if you take a look at my original proposal, somewhere between "lightweight" & "Glory-Boy" you will see the phrase "all jointly"...
...it was YOU who wanted ME to do the grunt work, I just came up with a way of taking that forward, but you still aren't satisfied...
...hey-ho, well why don't you take a step out of your ivory tower... why don't I send you the initial draft framework & we can refine it through iterative effort & release it to a waiting public when we are both happy to...?
Say the word & I will assign my crack team of experts to the task...!
Interestingly, Paul has posted further details on Twitter today. The details given make it sound a very good idea - the concept is great, I’m sure we’d all like to contribute a small amount every month, similar to the “u” Reds scheme back in 2000/01. Better still, have a say in how it is spent.
For me though, it should be referred to as a supporters scheme, not a supporters group.
Sorry why would it go to the CTSA chair is this the same Chairperson who has also thrown his hand in after just 18 months the same Chairperson that only took the job as the other 5 on the board didn't want it? So not much point showing anything to him on the concept is it.
See right there that shows the CTSA has had its day no volunteers, Treasurer and Chair stepping down just 5 left on the board including the outgoing Chair and no one new wanting to get involved I would hedge my bets that the only reason the fans rep is staying on despite his poor health is so the CTSA keeps going as if it goes down to 4 people its done as confirmed by Simon on an earlier post.
So i presume you will instead present it to ALL parties not just the CTSA and once you agree to that i am sure we will be all ears.
Bloody hell, if you take a look at my original proposal, somewhere between "lightweight" & "Glory-Boy" you will see the phrase "all jointly"...
...it was YOU who wanted ME to do the grunt work, I just came up with a way of taking that forward, but you still aren't satisfied...
...hey-ho, well why don't you take a step out of your ivory tower... why don't I send you the initial draft framework & we can refine it through iterative effort & release it to a waiting public when we are both happy to...?
Say the word & I will assign my crack team of experts to the task...!
At what part of the iterative wheel would you allow me or others to be involved Thad, before or after you have presented it to the outgoing CTSA Chair and if you have such great ideas why did you wait until the CTSA was a sinking ship before trying to save it?
I don't live in an Ivory town as i don't feel the need to lord it up over others but as your so passionate about the CTSA how about you put yourself forward to become the new Chairperson after all it means it stays complete separate from the club.
If you want me to take a look i would be more than happy to go through the Iterative process with you Planning, Analysis, Testing, Evaluation further planning if needed all the way through Deployment.
Last Edit: Jul 30, 2019 22:43:14 GMT by Grumpy Git
Bloody hell, if you take a look at my original proposal, somewhere between "lightweight" & "Glory-Boy" you will see the phrase "all jointly"...
...it was YOU who wanted ME to do the grunt work, I just came up with a way of taking that forward, but you still aren't satisfied...
...hey-ho, well why don't you take a step out of your ivory tower... why don't I send you the initial draft framework & we can refine it through iterative effort & release it to a waiting public when we are both happy to...?
Say the word & I will assign my crack team of experts to the task...!
At what part of the iterative wheel would you allow me or others to be involved Thad, before or after you have presented it to the outgoing CTSA Chair and if you have such great ideas why did you wait until the CTSA was a sinking ship before trying to save it?
I don't live in an Ivory town as i don't feel the need to lord it up over others but as your so passionate about the CTSA how about you put yourself forward to become the new Chairperson after all it means it stays complete separate from the club.
If you want me to take a look i would be more than happy to go through the Iterative process with you Planning, Analysis, Testing, Evaluation further planning if needed all the way through Deployment.
I am not even a member of CTSA, my choice, because - you may have noticed - I am an opinionated, divisive & controversial individual. I am always happy to defend my opinions, however whenever I have held office (which I have before the formation of CTSA), my opinions were used as a springboard for the less enlightened to attack the organisation. I wished to avoid that scenario & still do.
But I think criticism of the likes of Simon & Leakey was unfair, whatever you think of the outcomes, they have put themselves out for many years in a thankless task on our behalf. If you feel that does not sit comfortably with my goading of HKP you may have a point, but I think their sacrifice to the cause is actually greater than his... just my opinion.
I also believe that I have presented quite clearly that the draft is to be taken to a stage of public consultation exclusively by the pair of us... not quite sure why you feel the need for any further clarification...(?)
Edit: just to be absolutely open on the matter, I did produce a fabulous logo & website (with training) for CTSA at ridiculously low mates rates & assisted them with the odd spot of technical support.
At what part of the iterative wheel would you allow me or others to be involved Thad, before or after you have presented it to the outgoing CTSA Chair and if you have such great ideas why did you wait until the CTSA was a sinking ship before trying to save it?
I don't live in an Ivory town as i don't feel the need to lord it up over others but as your so passionate about the CTSA how about you put yourself forward to become the new Chairperson after all it means it stays complete separate from the club.
If you want me to take a look i would be more than happy to go through the Iterative process with you Planning, Analysis, Testing, Evaluation further planning if needed all the way through Deployment.
I am not even a member of CTSA, my choice, because - you may have noticed - I am an opinionated, divisive & controversial individual. I am always happy to defend my opinions, however whenever I have held office (which I have before the formation of CTSA), my opinions were used as a springboard for the less enlightened to attack the organisation. I wished to avoid that scenario & still do.
But I think criticism of the likes of Simon & Leakey was unfair, whatever you think of the outcomes, they have put themselves out for many years in a thankless task on our behalf. If you feel that does not sit comfortably with my goading of HKP you may have a point, but I think their sacrifice to the cause is actually greater than his... just my opinion.
I also believe that I have presented quite clearly that the draft is to be taken to a stage of public consultation exclusively by the pair of us... not quite sure why you feel the need for any further clarification...(?)
Edit: just to be absolutely open on the matter, I did produce a fabulous logo & website (with training) for CTSA at ridiculously low mates rates & assisted them with the odd spot of technical support.
Clarification is key in any process, I would have thought a man with as many hidden talents as you would understand that but hey-ho
Feel free to send over the details of your proposal when you are ready and let me know at exactly what stage of the iterative process you are at.
Well done on the website, it is very basic which is exactly what was needed rather than an over complicated mess, like i have seen with other websites, i too have designed many websites but you need to know when the balance is right which i think you have done superbly so kudos to you on that front.
I’d suggest that you are very naive if that’s what you think. It’s not just about having money in the bank it’s about having trust status, it’s about being a recognised body, and about being there to ask the questions on behalf of the fan base.
Your very naive if you think you need trust status to ask the club questions
who is to say HKP and the clubs idea is not to have any new organisation as a recognised body?
Edit: just to be absolutely open on the matter, I did produce a fabulous logo & website (with training) for CTSA at ridiculously low mates rates & assisted them with the odd spot of technical support.
Indeed Thad I remember it well. If you need a reference you only have to ask Now your work has Grumpy Git's seal of approval you will go a long way young man.
A far cry from those days of selling the fanzine in the underpass during the Majeed era. Still probably no need for us to mention you were raising money, and I guess in any case we shouldn't mention the M word as HKP really doesn't like it.
Gee thanks Dad, you can check my homework when it is ready.
So now you don't what to share the process Christ Thad make up your mind one minute you want us both to look at it the next your being childish and want to take your ball away when your asked simple questions
I can see why you don't join the CTSA board you would change your mind more times than you have had hot dinners
Edit: just to be absolutely open on the matter, I did produce a fabulous logo & website (with training) for CTSA at ridiculously low mates rates & assisted them with the odd spot of technical support.
Indeed Thad I remember it well. If you need a reference you only have to ask Now your work has Grumpy Git's seal of approval you will go a long way young man.
A far cry from those days of selling the fanzine in the underpass during the Majeed era. Still probably no need for us to mention you were raising money, and I guess in any case we shouldn't mention the M word as HKP really doesn't like it.
Cant even give a compliment to someone now without Mr chuck your hand in and dont attend games James getting his 2 pence worth in pmsl
But as I said in a previous post James you always have stand up comedy to turn to as you sure as heck make me laugh
Gee thanks Dad, you can check my homework when it is ready.
So now you don't what to share the process Christ Thad make up your mind one minute you want us both to look at it the next your being childish and want to take your ball away when your asked simple questions
I can see why you don't join the CTSA board you would change your mind more times than you have had hot dinners
Dear oh dear, it was a lighthearted response to your patronising paternalistic post that preceded it. Re-read it again in that knowledge & then take a chill pill.
So now you don't what to share the process Christ Thad make up your mind one minute you want us both to look at it the next your being childish and want to take your ball away when your asked simple questions
I can see why you don't join the CTSA board you would change your mind more times than you have had hot dinners
Dear oh dear, it was a lighthearted response to your patronising paternalistic post that preceded it. Re-read it again in that knowledge & then take a chill pill.
Lol was it a light hearted response?? I was genuinely paying you a compliment sorry you took it the wrong way but that's the problem with the written word it has no emotions like a face to face conversation
I do like what you have done with the ctsa website that I promise you